Oct 25, 2016|
Barbara Madeloni, MTA, defends the 'No On 2' initiative 10-25016
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Video we've all gotten yeah obviously very taken by. This presidential race but here in the state of Massachusetts while we don't really have I congressional races we don't have a gubernatorial race going on. We do have four very important questions of those questions. I think it is worthy of some discussion today to sort of help inform our listeners and that is our question to when that's related to charter schools and lifting the cap on charter schools. This if you could believe it is pumping even more even more than the marijuana issue this is pumping money. Eighteen million dollars has been poured in on this initiative. Which is pretty amazing. And joining us to talk a little bit more about it and we'll certainly be taking your calls after we talk with Barbara. Our middle Loney and she is in Massachusetts teachers association president Barbara thank you for being with us this morning. My pleasure good morning. The Massachusetts teachers association is not in favor of this ballot question. Absolutely. We understand. That this ballot question oh really what has the potential creature creator propellant into our whole undermined public education. In Massachusetts. It would allow hurtful to open twelve or charter schools anywhere in the states every year forever. Public schools Massachusetts already this year will be losing 415 million dollars to charter schools. That Wu that public schools have to make cuts librarians are programs. Extracurricular activities. It's it's incredibly reckless ballot question and that's why 200 school committees. Have across the state have come out and took people to vote no until. Well that's one reason or another reason would be Barbara that did unions are of course and just looking to protect union jobs and so of course every school that is unionized or be against us. It did this thing I understand that you will send messages sent so educators is that we have some of the finest. Public schools in the country and we are fully utilized our in our public schools. So you'll work to protect. Students to protect future is to create stronger public schools. You know art these educators every day. Cheered listeners. That who go out and work with your children will chair Bagger Schobel did the best every day. That they can provide that with a high quality public education. That's the unions are that's quite different from the people on the other side. Who are trying to yes campaign. Who include five of the richest twenty America. But where effect right now our government Baker's family York. He met yesterday with. Former Mayor Bloomberg from New York are one of the when he is purchase American and went there to get more money to finally ask him co. Show our you'll spend parents and community organizations. And NAACP. In childhood justice. And repeat chill working together to say no. And and protect public education. Absolutely and we're proud I bet. I'm not so sure the people who are brutal yes campaign some local we can't go find out who they are. Because they're hidden. Being behind 501 received. Are I have this thing interest. The Massachusetts people who aren't. Plus they're risking getting combative barber and I don't want to accuse and question two I I can constantly wanna be convinced that this is a thing I need to vote no one but nobody's been able to convince me at. What is the what is the salary of the people that are opposed it would have to do without me naming Mike Bloomberg is usually a liberal icon. What does it matter that he's a billionaire. That he's you know against he's for more charter schools. I think it's particularly important to think about. This is messages that these are this students of Massachusetts. And and who it is not typical for people whose poor financiers hedge fund managers private equity firm. To be doing things. I don't they're the well being of their heart into it could they have a substantial interest and that's ridiculous only a little let me finish how how can would be. That that New Yorkers why should covered there is strong Massachusetts may wish to talk. Can't true soldiers private equity group and people who we don't even know what they are. Yesterday. School committee members wanted to go wouldn't meet with him to talk about the very concerned. About partial too and he wasn't available to do that because he was in New York. I don't want to constituents well Barbara the billionaires. New York now but Barbara Ann Arbor the argument there is serious question well that is that this series with the argument there is that Bloomberg is from. This stage in let's do you remember that the governor is TV's just keep voting no doubt in your but did you think that that aren't voting Massachusetts well regardless. Disease that may be may be his interest is that he wants to see education. What he believes would be improved in the state. And let's do remember that the governor does have a lot of friends in very high places and this is something that the governor feels is a positive thing for students. When we go back to this Barbary talk about. This being you know the state having great education at public education and I do believe there it that is true. But having said that there's 33000. Students who were on a waiting list for charter schools. Why so many students and why so many families interested in trying to get into charter schools. Well the first rule don't understand is that that number is not that's terribly accurate or checked our auditors usual. Obama has really question and number. And what are the things that you need to know just to get an idea about why that's partial go number. A student who peed. I have put their name in a lottery and beyond the waiting list scrolling charter have been accepted in another charter. And be a waiting list for charters. So what kind of numbers that recounting. We're we're talking about that. Is the real questions about that inbox then. The number of students who are looking to have they're on a waiting list for their first choice. Boston Public Schools. Is as high as the number of a waiting list for charter schools so why don't have a conversation. About making sure that every child in Massachusetts. How is as their first choice on high quality public school. Go to the go to the choices that as C quote. Free universal public education we should be so how come we're not doing enough. I'm funding our schools and not so that every child has the opportunity. For high quality public education. Well listen about that the money associated with this Barbara would give you that she it's O. We get we gotta go to corporate can you hold on Robert can we talk on the other side of the break and you got to okay thank you very much humor talking to this. President of the Massachusetts teachers association we're talking about questioned two more with Barbara just a moment. May just stay and you are voice. WRKO all those boys so Bostick and. Barbara may baloney and cheese president for Massachusetts teachers association Barbara. I wanted to ask you what is about question to that you think poses a threat to existing public schools. Now that that's the most dangerous. Is that. As are saying earlier 416 million dollars this year. Is being tightrope for public schools to going to charter schools. As the 200 school committees that have voted just saying no the question to understand. That'll do real losses and real cuts for our public schools actually more open which loses about 20 dollars figure to charter schools. Google librarian anymore. We we loose pair professionals who work at our neediest students. We use special programs are programs music programs we have a larger class sizes and with that doesn't that create blue barrel. So that so that the chart report when we talk about choice. But the choice for high quality public schools. Is diminished when we're looking referrals that we need in order to resource were paid for the best public schools what country. That's what's dangerous about that Carlton charters anywhere in the states. Every year forever. Within another fire appears we people who blew another billion dollars a year to charter schools. Why do you personally legally go charter schools now because what I want to know is why so many people wanna go to schools I've been out into oh. I can I would go for the past six weeks eight weeks. And what are you able to me and it's beautiful willow sometimes I'd joke we'll say I think the people want this. Is that actually I do like. Members who are educators appearance and simple app can listen. Then you realize ineptitude Massachusetts. Loved their public schools. They're really interested in public education they kept at a really deep level book value of public educational and they wanna preserve protect. And actually have conversation. Which is the conversation we have to begin on November and about how we're hopefully kind of public schools how we're gonna make sure that every child has an opportunity. For high quality public education. That's what people are interested in that situation. It seems like Jimmy Barbara you're you're basic argument here is a twofold but gets low road attacking one is that rich people who don't have hearts somehow I don't at that point. They're finding missing too is. That librarians are gonna lose their did you opt. I mean these kids. So aren't them for you'll I would argue I would guess that you would argue there should never be any charter schools because any charter school would take money it's public schools. The system should always be just what it is and never change ever going forward. So you hear the idea that we were to boost school librarian. Just sent the Blue Mosque. Yes something about employment. And will not about the quality. A public education looking and I'm English teacher I didn't schools. I I understand why anybody who is any understanding of the value of education. And what it links to develop a child into actually. Well known how to social libraries. And librarian Arnold come about how are you serious I win this are you see her is this is about our profession lows tomorrow and about the larger class sizes and the eyes of the librarian meg is much the principle that. That you would suggest. Debt debt Murray interest general interest is remembers. Scores of people were in classrooms. Right now this morning yeah I'm working with young people across there Massachusetts. That's how it is it's reasonable to suspect. Or interest in this. But it will not reasonable. To suspect the interest. Of the Coke Brothers. Of the one noted Hamlin who know about the Bloomberg News and the millions of armor army. Different. I you can make that argument clear blue in the face I think the people of Massachusetts. I understand who their teachers are who is working with your children every day and deeply valued at work Barbara I. Really my argument here is that while you. Sadie you've been out in you've talked to a lot of parents who appreciate public schools and not someone who appreciates public schools but having said that. There are a lot of parents who want options for their kids I'm getting texts in my personal life from people that I know course say. Yeah my kids go to public schools but we want options so if if there's options. Are out they air and people want them how can how can you deny that. Because that the at 415 million dollars a year. Mean that there is not the option for a bit high quality public school would actually option that we need to commit to. That's what we need is public spoke in public hands. So people can have the option of a high quality public school it doesn't work that if you take money for your option other people don't get bears. But that's ridiculous Oregon. Something's not as heroes and Medina who know better than why do you keep your daddy lying harder parents. Who support. No warrant to do because they didn't rule out when they chose to send their child to a charter school to undermine their local public schools. And then when they find out they're shocked. Yeah that's what I work. Barbara it's not a zero sum game of funding you know full well that's a stop on the business direction number one number two. Let's talk capitalism for a second I know it's evil according to your window of two unions but. Why don't we just let the market decide on this if states did have the public schools are gray didn't I think there are some great public schools by the way my daughters and one of them right now. If there's so grade then let's let the market decide in these charter schools will close after a few years. That it is good to pick is that first of all. The disruption of the market or are good for our students that love you should be able to values go look nobody is cooler because we don't know. Good deeper than that. Deeper than that we had to democracy. We get cool lady. I sometimes say there are things that are so important to ask. That we all agree we value so much that we're just gonna make sure that we fully from the possibility of that. For everybody it's not going to be about competition. It's not can it be about individual self interest it's gonna be about the greater good and that's public schools are such a beautiful thing and again it's. So you it's great how good thing and human urge you some animal any money I don't know why did. Just to defend this a deal to get to the client would probably do it isn't in the workplace of public education. People get that in your it T been they're both it's been amazing to me to talk to people who feel how much that's. In the texture of our lives and her experiences. As citizens broke and especially your message is that. We feel that's so deeply each people wanted to spend that there order and make it better guitar or undermining it. Barbara middle only. She is the Massachusetts teachers association president thank you very much for your time. Thank you appreciate it includes 617266686868680. Your calls right after the break.