Sep 13, 2016|
Pittsburgh gives Uber the greenlight on autonomous vehicles - Dante Ramos, Boston Globe 9-13-16
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About the fact that Hoover is using Pittsburg. As kind of a Guinea pig and they're gonna launch what I'm calling a fleet of their calling a fleet of but Thomas callers. And people are a little bit freaked out about her work some people even though it's happening. It's amazing in Pittsburgh you know you think of this kind of thing if it was being done in Boston there would be. And less comedic committee meetings and along community process about it. In Pittsburgh they just kind of unrolled it and they told the mayor and the police chief dad this is coming they've been generally supportive Hooper has a research lab. Down at Carnegie Mellon University are so they've been very hometown booster read of this initiative. And so their content that city official kind of notes coming to shrug their shoulders you know like OK that's cool we're looking over too much about that and I actually think that. That's probably the correct reaction at this point there's a lot of hype around this driver whose car initiative I mean if you talked to people and transportation circles it's supposed to be the wave of the future. But it's actually a at a really primitive stage and these driver less cars. Our driver lists only to the extent that having two engineers in the front. Ready to take control. And anytime something goes wrong is driver as you know I mean most of most of us think drive realist it's just like at car shows up delicate role that flies itself and harsh shows up. And this case is in that way at that point but I feel like Hoover has gotten a lot of you know good PR out of this initiative that is still primitive capsule you're so right having DB is that the truth. That was in the city of Boston. We would have meeting after meeting after meeting the release are ridiculous. Or just go this all happen is if they would have announced that it's here. And then some people would protest and then it would be scrapped and we find out later that we spend millions of dollars on this program and Walsh would look like a fuel and it's like that's just that's standard operating procedure. It would bought tickets to go right racket like a and well I mean I think. This this does point up the difference at the Walsh administration has tried. Very conspicuously to be open to certain types of things meaning the Olympics in the IndyCar. Those are things that require fairly significant public investment. This philosophy in Pittsburgh is being called green light governing. Where you know the city I don't think is really putting a team into this yeah they're just saying 00 this is something you wanted to do. That's probably okay that's just you know. Tell us if something goes wrong it's it doesn't really require the city to do a whole heck of a lot ages it's like a a completely hands off approach. You know and that that includes. Hands off the public pit bull when I've I don't get the purpose of the driver loose car with a driver. Like it's like I want I have the phone already quite like needed on my watch like. If it's got a driver and it it's got a driver it's not driver Lewis and I'm still paying the same it's not it's not furthering and actually these are the figure you're not paying the same these early experiments are intended to be free because it. Its experimental. The ultimate ambition is not for there to be too. Hooper engineers in right front seat the ultimate ambition really is for these cars to guide themselves. Through. City according to yeah GPS just like when you you know punching something in Google Maps like. The hope is that the technology gets enough that the car can guide itself. Through these areas it's just not going to be there for another ten years I think that there is that this is a technology that I think will develop and will be something people can use. The big question I think is whether it's actually. Sort of financially beneficial for anybody to do this Hooper has gathered a 68. Billion dollar market valuation. And it's not because it's cool technology there developing native they've they've they've become that valuable because. Hey. Have been great ad generating the transportation system that uses other people's cars that they don't have to buy they don't have to maintain. They have to. I worry about you know individual drivers do it. I actually don't really understand how this helps them in the long run because they'd actually have to buy car incarcerate expensive especially self driving car absolutely. I had never really thought about that but you're absolutely right when you also point on your column like how. I know I'm not the most annoying. Technologically advanced camera but with the car and driver Louis cardinal work in the north of Boston went how could that possibly gonna work. Well that's a thing. One of the reasons that works in many parts of Pittsburgh. Is that they agree it is more this record is more regular than right here and say you have cars coming together and more predictable ways. But they've actually run into is a problem in Pittsburgh which is you know three river stadium. Football fans may remember in Pittsburgh there are three reverse that go through the heart of downtown Pittsburgh that's by the cities there. It has more bridges than any city in the country. And the driver less cars actually run into problem bridges if you're going down city streets if you look on Google map straight. You can see individual buildings as Hugo counter go to on the street. And the sensors on the driver less cars pick that up. When you go over bridge it's just a bridge there's no. You know houses of different colors or buildings with street numbers on either side of the bridge bears just are just out there if they're just out there so. The car actually has a lot more trouble figuring out where it is on the bridge took that speaks to the kind of practical problem that when you put these cars in a real city that turn out that you know as we talk about it we wouldn't necessarily think that that would be an issue but. You know so you deployed in the print Pittsburgh you have desperate problem you to play them in the north bend in you have. In answer to stop it weird angles and people who are Boston drivers and those are real variables. And they'll have to be worked out other Ramos is who we're talking with from the Boston Globe and we're talking and driver let's. Cooper cars that are debuting. In Pittsburgh also Torre but the governing factor and how Pittsburgh came about being the test dummy if you will for these cars. Are you're our number 61726. X 6868. It's 8680 is our text line at 843 year with a York U Austin aka mortgage. (%expletive) with Dante Ramos about. Coolest cars Phoebe is it something you have interests and our. I love technology you know well as though you do not absolutely otherwise it'll off plan that you want nothing to do with this stuff I could see an out of vacation spot tickling and Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard for example I could CD's work and no problem there. I see this as being such a great thing for like. Elderly people I go back to this all the time this is a means by which two people you know who. Really should be behind would drive this car of gnome and Hillary couldn't get from the curb to the car and wouldn't have been able to resistor. I'm just thinking out loud you're up. 672666868. To number remarks at a grocery market morning Europe WRKO. Hi there he looked a few minutes ago wanted to do I make a comment that you didn't know how to profit off these autonomous vehicle right. Well actually it's the stand to let so make an ungodly amount of money opposites really has very little to do the taxis. I'm error number of both our companies that are trying to. Expect today I guess which you call a basket of technologies that would make can autonomous vehicles. Up possible. And the first one the British backed that's that's that good at technology used appealable white should sit every single order vehicle manufacturer. World's. And the loyalty that get up this patents would be literally astronomical that's what this is really all about. It's less about really Cooper using the technology as much as it is just developing technology and then selling it. Sounds like to me right. And does that make sense to you don't think RIA. I was waiting to see if cautioned more you know my point about Hoover is that they. As a company have a very different business model. You know apple and Google and other tech companies you know or we're certainly not the only tech company that is moving into this space physical evidence like the ballot. Army in Silicon Valley. And you know there's a lot of people made investments and as interestingly apple has backed off a little bit. Which makes you think that perhaps they think that the short term rewards of doing so or not as great as they had originally thought. Or that you know the difficulties that they first seat in making their car rather than a phone or bigger than they thought I agree with a collar that that. You know the inventors of these types of technologies stand to gain a lot my question really is whether. Hoover whose entire business is built upon. Moving around other people's vehicles that they don't own it's the ultimate low cost business model you know you held millions of people paying you money to do stuff. And you basically don't own. That much use and he would you know physical capital and that's that's actually amazing that Patrick. Great racket to be and and I say that with a certain amount of admiration for what they've. Achieved. You know I don't rule out the possibility that this may be a different direction for the company that could make the money. But it's a real I mean it's a major major major departure at. Salute your actually writes it let's go back to the the I was reading and I seem to be the Washington Post about. The city of Pittsburgh though again in about they were they were turning this into a governing issue more than the Hoover issue. Which I think a lot of us would agree here in the studio probably love people listening bit. This green the idea of this green light governing. Is is is it interesting 11 that we don't adopt here and I'm not sure that I want to full on adopted I don't know how much I love it if I lived in Pittsburgh. I don't know that I would think this was such a great thing you know because all of a sudden got. This fleet of these cars on the road and nobody had niece say you're certainly didn't have a lot of things. I should more. Optimistic about green light governing and I end up writing a lot about. Things you know even on the local scale like liquor licensing and restaurant licensing and you know planning and zoning in things where we have a lot of rules. That prevent problems that seem to be more theoretical than anything else and I think that we you know I obviously some of that is needed to maintain. You know happiness in order in this city. But at the same time I think. You know it's possible to worry a little bit too much about this and and you know I don't know that you really want you know people who want Pittsburgh to do more about this. Really know what they should be doing exactly like I don't have a good handle. On on what Pittsburgh. Would do if it was being more active about yesterday supposed to. You know how the city inspector via third person in I don't know I don't know I don't know what the regulations are but I don't know if it from a regular driver in Pittsburgh and I think this is going on I guess I would wanna know where they're gonna do it. I wanna maybe even restrict the hours in which they can do it. You know is it gonna become an issue for traffic purposes. You know is it is it detrimental to him. My health as a driver I don't see I think as human being that terrible terrible that at assessing risk and if I were driver Pittsburgh or Boston I'm sure. You know even at this early stage of driver Lewis cart technology. The biggest threat to you is other drivers you know were the photos that. That experimental Cooper car going down the street at twenty miles an hour with two engineers in the front seat. That is not your problem. You know every other driver on the road you're trying to but I'd like everybody know what's what's the mess and make something into it what's the benefit of being the Guinea pig at the same time if your if your city like Boston why do you wanna be the Guinea pig in this. Some you know for Pittsburgh one of the reasons why they've been sympathetic to it is that they have. A lot of local scientists are working and so some of it is a civic boosters and and I think the criticism. Has revolved around that area idea that oh well you've got these you know you've got the sort of hometown. Lab and you're enabling them in a way that you wouldn't enable somebody from. Tuscaloosa oh or Oklahoma City. See that being a fair criticism at the same time. I think. If people in Pittsburgh feel like the people they know in this scientists and executives that they know in Pittsburgh. A working on this project and it doesn't really seem all that scary too. It feels like a proportionate reaction bother reality too is it's coming no matter we like it or not at some point they have not necessarily mean. You know that at the Segway com. About the Segui was like the biggest leap technologically. That was gonna revolutionize transportation in and government shut it down and never oh I don't know what that I mean I think the Segway. It doesn't. Really deliver. A whole line it's in the Serra after Harvard means admission that he's not as fast as it's not as fast as. As biting it's somewhat faster than walking. It's a little unclear where weather's supposed to mighty in the side walkers and bike lane it's an expensive thing if you have. I hum you know you have to buy one if you buy one and you have to. Put it somewhere I mean it's I think it's actually shown nick value you see these in the north and and elsewhere you should be set right hours and and that's agreed used for but that's also a very specific type of setting. Now I think that there are problems with driver of cart that we have not yet discussed. For example you know we think of like oh the the drivers Hoover will come pick me up drop me off at my destination and and then it disappears rounds ago quarters ago after that in in the break we were talking about. You know where is the driver Ellis who burn gas itself off. And I think that's something to be determined presumably there'll be some garage and Soviet human and at the Hoover knows to go to the garage when it needs gas but. Yeah about the decision to be worked out and for transportation network where the fuel. Gets delivered that's. That's a big deal big deal inventiveness. Yeah my only point with TU VV when you responded that was its right now just practicing and in parking lots and summit at some point you'll take this to the road. And there's too much money in autonomous cars for this to not eventually. Happen in and we are talking during the commercial break. I drive my car to and from work and I barely used it during the week besides that so. There's a need to eliminate this process so to think it's not gonna happen but that's absurd to me. Do think it's inevitable is also observed Dan like there's there's always I was embossed wide because Boston's that he also we're not gonna have them. There's too much clutter with pedestrians already and with the Segway did was doesn't use gas doesn't have any carbon emissions. Reduces traffic in the city all goals that we want in yet. This was not allowed to. To help but let's go to double the conversation right there is that's a quick break okay I'm sorry you can't pay the bills from sorry guys. So we'll hook it quick break six foot 72666860s. And we'll also take your calls. Right after the break we're talking about driver less cars it's 850 here in the WRKO boston.com origin. Highlights just in New Bedford this morning Scott good morning your WRKO. Good morning the three point six oh wanted to bring up technological innovation. OEMs in the business model I'm ecstatic technological innovation you needed a solution to a problem I. I don't see the problem here. I think consumers don't want to I was cards. And literally being pushed it's. Did the techies who obviously that you mentioned have had a lot to gain and the government wants to read it and not a mistrial the second point is. On the and so this will be equipment and structure in the auto makers. If they start making your arm it was kind of how does that mean the capacity utilization kinda gonna go out. Because your car when you work at companies in the parking lot all day and mean is actually going to be produce more scouts that the more mutilation. And that they're appointed on the ride sharing. You know who went at it's great it's you know it's a rating of at least innocent people in the city. I didn't come as don't make them any money do losing a fortune in the citizens who are. And the drew let's turn it is through the roof people who you know drivers don't make money doing it. Is not hurt anybody's. I think that's pretty much it would no wonder that mentioned that he did you have any thoughts on. Scott thank you. Now I I think that the driver mates and this and some great points I would say on the first one. I think that there actually is a certain demand in May be added and Mitch demand among. People who you know don't want to be driving or. You know have other things that they could be doing in the car rather than when they drive in from wall pull in the morning rather than you know you could be reading you can be answering emails you could actually be doing stuff and you know it's not we're not always what people are doing what you gonna get it right now on set up one point I also think that if the insurance industry suddenly discovers. That driver less cars are safer than non driver less cars. It'll be something that they'll be pushing fairly hard you know you might get a card you might still buy your own car. But if it's driver lets you might get a discount on your insurance and at some point that may actually be true and may proof. You know may prove. Enough for you to buy driver was car rather than. Not ever but I do think. That is Scott is right I think that there will be industry that doesn't wanna see this and I think the car industry. As is interesting is it is that some are trying to develop that that technology right now. I think they could be suffer from it because I think fewer people will own cars because she will be able to. Have a car comment that you when you don't have to pay for the parking in Europe or at least keep it. And you know I'd like you said Dave if you lived in the city that would be your means by which to get around. So I think there will be fewer cars or what's what's. About technologies that things you know things become popular and get adopted but just not necessarily though in the wave that we think that. And so maybe get a consequence of driver less cars is not so much that you NI and everyone here owns their own car but. Maybe to us have our own cars in the rest of the subscribe to a car company whether it's Hoover somebody else and we pave. Forty bucks a month. And ten bucks arrive for the driver was carted can't take it whereas there and and you know that's something I mean we have taxi fleet right now but like maybe there's like. Over a national chain of driver was carpet you know you don't where. I think when this when the iPhone came out none of us necessarily force on that. Driver less car technology wasn't. Likely outcome of that similarly with driver less cars. You know there'll be things that happen that we're just. Not capable and eliminating right now you're absolutely right well it's a really cool peace and it's and if people continue today rate yet on on the globe website yup absolutely so be sure you check it out don't they were the most okay. BBL something for Daunte yeah our economic our names I walk what I do Donte'. I'm trying to think of some what are we gonna call this sudden it's a tough one affair out.